Offshore Developer’s Roadmap to US Projects – Part 4

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Mikhail:
Right, right.

Yinso:
Okay.
One downside, one downside of this kind of a path or this kind of way of getting into, into job opportunities, could be they have to actually sign up for a long-term course to get the student visa and they have to pay for that. And if you, if we’re talking master degree, I think the fees for international students would be well close to unimaginable.

Hi. Sure. So there’s another path. Another path is to apply for jobs and no multinationals, large organizations locally. Okay. These organizations have offices all around the world.

Mikhail:
Yeah. And so you’ve tried to apply to getting there in the local office that you can. Once you are in, now you have a better chance, then to try to find a possibility to transfer. Now, some multinationals don’t do transfers. So we should certain, people want to try this path, certainly should study to see if this is one of those organizations that will allow transfers. But this path is also no one to work basically. Right? So you can… There are also, there’s a wall would be like a path that’s not guaranteed to work. I mean it still could possibly work, but you just, it’s not known to work, which is one query to just try to directly apply for jobs overseas. Right?

Well, I was, I was thinking about also one extra option, even though it’s a small option at the moment, but I was just thinking that technically with a growth of 100 percent remote companies and especially we are growing and software area and nature of it, because most software companies will be to some extent remote companies and some will be a 100 percent. So those 100 percent remote companies, if they become more widespread, if they become more mainstream in the industry, I think they will provide a huge opportunity for people who are actually not able, or maybe it’s too expensive for them to go to the US direct. But they don’t mind actually getting them to a multinational company, even though it’s operating online. So [crosstalk]

Yinso:
Right. But that’s a… that’s two different parts, right? There’s people who just want to get to who wants to move and people who don’t mind staying, but work on the US projects. So the remote companies we’re talking about would be the latter ones. People don’t have to immigrate to a different country.

Mikhail:
I actually, I know quite a few developers. I mean, going from my personal contacts, maybe it’s not easy to find one, but at least I’ve heard about those people who actually say explicitly on their blogs when they already speak English they would communicate it, let’s say that I could… Like the developer is in Romania, in Eastern Europe and this, he said “I could go to New York, actually I, some job offers. So I had some opportunities to go to New York, but I decided not to”. Why not? Because, he said “Here I get on like a very, very small amount of money compared to New York. But the expenses are also a little lower”.

Yinso:
Yeah. And you actually grew up in the environment that you’re already comfortable in. Why move to a foreign country where you don’t know anything. Right?

Mikhail:
So in this situation, maybe the case of maybe going overseas, so immigration becomes less relevant. However, the context of still become a specialist and the global specialist, communicating with people, working on projects still holds true. So they, they definitely want to grow. They want to communicate, they want to participate, but they don’t have the immigration sort of, well, they don’t think about that at the moment, at this moment.

Yinso:
Right? Yeah. Totally. I mean, immigration, it’s always a tough thing, but again, take the route that not well known, basically because that maximizes the chance. It’s like when you take the route that’s not well known at all, then you’re trying your luck, basically, it could happen. But you know, people don’t necessarily know that as it has really happened, it’s not a pattern of hiring basically. So then we finally come back down to saying this, right. You know, you want to maximize and you want to improve your skills, your skills in English, your skills in professional skills,

Mikhail:
Communication skills.

Yinso:
And then communication. Right. And then finally your technical skill.
And honestly you probably in this water, I mean, I would probably move these two guys around, but you kind of have to get some amount of English confidence.

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
Right. So then, so how do you… What’s the shortest path getting there? Well you want to find that environment that supports this, right? [inaudible] say what’s the skills that you need to improve. Then, then that’s what you had to work on. You got to find environment that allows you to work on this.
And what would those environments be? Well, let’s say what they are not going to be. They’re not going to be language exchange.

Mikhail:
Let’s define it as any artificial environments. The way I would define it. Anything artificial, anything less than real, won’t [inaudible 00:05:48].

Yinso:
Right.

Mikhail:
That’s my definition.

Yinso:
Let’s say what would be the environment that can provide this? Okay. Say what is good? Okay. It will be a project because a project would not only allow you to work on speaking English, but you also ask you to perform these things basically, right? You want to be at the very minimum on the project. I mean, honestly, the worst situation, the worst type of project, I want to only say worse. I just mean nice. Not as good as say some of the other type of projects, but he still can work would be like a Hackathon project.

Now why is Hackathon project, not as good? Is because Hackathon project is very short.

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
It’s structured a couple of days. You’re done. You’re good to go right? In this situation, what could you learn? You could possibly learn a new library, a new platform, like say for example, angular to react, whatever. You can build some cool thing with it. And it’s cool. You know, even something, plus I actually went to a theater at [Hululands?00:07:15] class, that was two days long. And it was kind of fun and it build something. But honestly in two days you’re not going to be doing anything substantial, no matter what it is. It just going to be small things

Mikhail:
In Hackathon projects, very typically no client or no deliverables. There’s no pressure to deliver like… Like there is a time pressure, that’s a good thing. But on the other hand, like people don’t do their best and don’t, don’t actually…

Yinso:
No scope, right?

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
You define your own scope and you define your own deliverable and that’s good. Some people will define very well. Right. Then this is where we talk about where they say know yourself and “know yourself” is talking about saying, what type of person are you, right. Are you someone who pushes yourself very hard? Or are you someone who says, okay, I kind of wander around a little bit and if there’s stuff that’s happening, that I need to do it then I would do it.

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
You know, tip diff… I mean, people who push themselves like Elon Musk, right? It’s like, no one needs to manage him he just does whatever, because he pushes himself harder than anyone else pushes him. And if any of those person is not going to be watching this video at all.

Mikhail:
For sure.

Yinso:
They are already, they already know I mean, I’m explaining to them stuff that they already know, basically. They already know they need to learn English. They already know they need to improve professional skills. They figure these things out before we talk about them, basically. And they know themselves so well, they are going to be pushing themselves toward [inaudible] anyway, right? But there’s a huge amount of people, myself included, out there that would be… would do ourselves good, when there is external forces.

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
Someone who says you should do something and you agree to do that. As a matter of fact, I mean, let me put it this way, they’re in the startup environment. A lot of people say that they will take money from VC, even when they’re already rich. Okay. The reason why is because VC money means commitment.

Mikhail:
Yeah.

Yinso:
So when they take that VC money, I mean, they know that they don’t have to take the VC money because they can fund the project themselves. But when they take that VC money, they know that now there’s someone that they need to hold themselves accountable to. And they like that structure because when you had to hold yourself accountable to someone else, now you have to do it basically. So you, so a lot of very successful people still do things this way. You know, it’s like, even like Elon Musk’s startups are funded either. He could fund them himself, but you know…

Mikhail:
Yeah. That’s true. Even sometimes like a peer pressure, like when you actually start working on the Hackathon project, I mean, I have very little experience but I felt it. But basically one reason… One thing that motivates me is with, I don’t want to let other people down, like for example, I could just skip it and just go do something else. But other people are waiting for me. So like obviously I have to do produce something and then I still have to communicate. So to some extent they bring value of those Hackathon projects. One thing I personally found from my research has, but very, very few Hackathon projects are available online in English. So you have a chance to work with people in different countries. And unfortunately we don’t have opportunities like this. I mean, it’s not like every week you can just do another one.

Most of these Hackathons are offline events, like just people get together. And I think that many non-native speakers might even hesitate to join one. Even if they go to US, like for example, to learn English or something. So I think they will be hesitating because they simply won’t be able to handle the conversation between native speakers. And that’s why we will shy away from those events. Sometimes I wish that there would be more Hackathon opportunities available online to people at least to try and at least to kind of, to get used to at least some of it, or maybe at least walk with some other people. Yeah.

Yinso:
Right. So as we say here, okay, Hackathon project it’s not ideal, but it’s better than nothing.

Mikhail:
Yeah. It goes maybe halfway to right, to address the issue.

Yinso:
Right. It’s better than nothing. You have a chance to get together Gator, you can do something. Now let’s say, so what are better projects? Okay.

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